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Info-Mac Digest             Thu,  7 Jan 93       Volume 11 : Issue 5

Today's Topics:

      (A) Imagewriter cable instead of Phonenet?
      (Q) Apple File Share Daemon
      (Q) powersupply repair
      [C]  Menu Fonts in Font
      A 7.0 upgrade for a SE (R)
      About Michel,Michele,Michelle
      Austrian address-anyone know it?
      AutoDoubler Internal Compression info please
      Background Printing
      Background printing of Postscript
      Big remote partitions (Q)
      Birthday greetings for a techno-weenie
      Classics and 7.1
      Desktop Pictures
      Drawing package with text-editable dimensions
      e-mail address for ZTerm author (2 msgs)
      Ethernet option for a HP laserJet 4M printer.
      EtherTalk Driver for Racal Interlan EtherTalk Card (A)
      how to get command key character (& others) (C)
      HP DeskWriter 550C
      Info-Mac Digest V11 #3
      Info-Mac Digest V11 #4 (System 6.0.8L)
      Internet to MCI Mail?
      lab security programs
      Mac II Won't Startup! (A)
      MacTCP pricing/liscencing (C)
      Making mistakes when answering questions
      Metamorphisis Help needed!
      Mighty Draw *$25?!?*
      Musical Clip Art?
      New VD Support Policy (C)
      Opening PageMaker 2 files in 4.2
      Personal Internet connection
      PhotoCD
      Please post Metamorphisis
      Printing Setup Question
      Recommendation on CD-ROM reader sought
      report/apple-pr-imaging.hqx (Q)
      Shhh! is (not) functional
      Shhh! works for me
      Software companies (Adobe, Aldus) vs. European consumers
      StyleWriter II is not a 2 ppm printer
      StyleWriter on a PC ???
      Switching 32-bit mode without restarting (Q)
      System 7.1 - Excel 4.0 & more than 20 fonts
      System 7.1 Compatibility Revisited
      System7 installation over network (C)
      Text file printing question
      Type Manipulation (A)
      WordPerfect PC translator
      WORM CD-ROM
      YACC and LEX for the Mac?

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:44 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (A) Imagewriter cable instead of Phonenet?

Answering to the question of Glenn Tiffert ([e-mail]), I
made such kind of Appleshare connection between two PB100, one with system
7.0.1 (as server) and the other with system 6.0.7 (as user). The cable I
used was an Stylewriter cable, and there was no difference compared when
using Phonenet connectors. I guess you can use as well system 7.1 and
Imagewriter cable. I have no notice that this use of a printer cable could
damage a Macintosh.

Greetings from Spain
Jose M. Payo     <[e-mail]>

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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 13:58:36 CST
From: [e-mail] (John F Bartlett (HDTV Consultant))
Subject: (Q) Apple File Share Daemon

I'm looking for the Apple File Share(ing) Daemon. It was
referred to in the documentation for ARNS (A Remote
Networking Server) (towards the end of the document.)

In essence, though, what I'm looking for is a server pro-
cess that will allow one to "mount" a Unix partition (a
Sun workstation) on a Macintosh that has an ethernet card
(but no MacFTP), or vice versa. In addition it should (al-
though it's not a major requirement) allow one to print
>From the Mac to the Sun workstation.

Any help is greatly appreciated. If I get enough responses,
I will summarize to Info-Mac.

Thanks,
 _jfb_

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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 01:21 CST
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (Q) powersupply repair

    Date:         Wed 6, Jan 1993 7 pm Cent
    From:         Lige Harris <[e-mail]>
    Subject:      SE powersupply replacement
    To:           Info-Mac moderators <[e-mail]>
    ========================================================================


As I watch the screen on my 3 yr old SE shrink... I suspect the predicted
powersupply problems. Have any of you out there had any experience with
replacement or repair of this part?  What is the best 'fix' for this illness
(more power/cooling ?) and where is the best source for the parts.

Lige Harris  [e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:00 PDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [C]  Menu Fonts in Font

 In response to the question about making fonts in a font menu
"appear" in their own font, I don't think you need a special
extension or init -- it's my understanding that simply holding
down the option key while selecting the font menu will
accomplish this as well....  (I don't know if this is just a
System 7 feature or not, but it's worth a try....).

hasta,

shane
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu,  7 Jan 93 12:37:21 +0100
From: "CHRISTIAN F. BUSER" <[e-mail]>
Subject: A 7.0 upgrade for a SE (R)

From: "Jeff Kline"  <[e-mail]> asked:
>i want to upgrade from sys 6.0.x to 7.0 (& tuneup 1.1.1).  The
>memory is in and running fine.  I attempted
>the upgrade to system 7.0 using my copy of the disks (from a
>usergroup) and the Install did not work (It crashed about 1/2
>of the way through).

Jeff,

- Remove the finder out of your Sys6 system folder, so the installer ahs
  to create a new System folder for 7.x
- Start form your installtion disk no. 1
- Then copy all your extensions, fonts, etc. into your new system folder.

In most cases this works. It depends also whether the version of the
hard disk formatter/driver you have installed is working with System 7.
If not you need to reformat the HD and install the new drivers. I
personally recommend SilverLining. Any version greater than 5.31 works
with Sys7, latest version is 5.42 as far as I know.

Best regards, Christian                        [e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 11:07:19 EST
From: Jean Brunet <[e-mail]>
Subject: About Michel,Michele,Michelle

In order to add a Mac flavour to the discussion about Michel/Michele
let me point out that Michele should be written in French with an 'accent
grave' on the first e (i.e.ASCII=143, Mich`ele). This raises the following
question:
If one does string comparaisons with Michele and Michoui, Michele will come
first (correct answer),but if one compares Mich`ele and Michoui, Michoui will
come first (wrong answer). This is so because ASCII `e (143) > e (101).
My question is the following: How can I create a program yielding the correct
answer without having to change all the accentuated letters? Is there a way
to invoke the sorting ressources appearing in Apple CDEV 'International'.
Thanks for your comments.

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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 22:42:42 EST
From: Pete Tamas <[e-mail]>
Subject: Austrian address-anyone know it?

I need to e-mail someone at the Karl Franzens (spelling?) Universitat Graz
in Graz, Austria. Anyone know the address or can anyone tell me how to find
that address? Thanks, Pete Tamas
[e-mail], Temple Univ, Philadelphia (betw New York & Wash DC)

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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 17:36:46 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: AutoDoubler Internal Compression info please

Does anyone have any technical or anecdotal information about the workings
of AutoDoubler's Internal Compression optional program?  It seems to be
very effective at saving space on my machine while executing without
re-expanding.  My concern, however, is about data integrity and degradation
in program performance.  Particularly, which system files are safe to
internally compress.

Please reply to my directly and I will sumarize for net if there is
sufficient interest.  Thank you in advance.

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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 05:40:02 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Jonathan R Schultz)
Subject: Background Printing

In digest <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:

>Does anyone know of an extension that will automatically choose a particular
>printer, and choose background printing on or off at startup?
ADVthanksANCE.

>eugene cohen
>[e-mail]


You can do that and much more with QuicKeys from CE Software.
QuicKeys has a QK extension called Choosy that allows to select a printer,
turn background printing on or off, and notifies you (if you so desire) of the
change via a dialog box. You can set the timer for that shortcut so that it
executes
at startup.

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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 17:05:42 -0500
From: WING W R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Background printing of Postscript

In V11N002 Theodore Lee ([e-mail]) asks about background printing of
PostScript files for the second time.  I hesitated to mention a kludge
solution to his problem, but seeing no good solutions mentioned by
anyone I'll pass it on anyway.  The recipe is:

Open the PostScript file with Microsoft Word  (either V4 or V5)

Select the whole document

Go to STYLE (in the Format menu in Word 5)

Click on New Style, then enter the word PostScript in the style-name
field, it is case sensitive

Apply the style

Word will inform you that this is a predefined style, and ask if you
want to redefine it.  Say no.


Thats it, you can now have Word print the document.  Since it is being
queued by Word rather than either of the Apple laser utilities, Print
Monitor is perfectly happy to let it print in the background.

There is one caveat.  This method loads the printer with both the Word
Postscript Dict *and* whatever Dict is contained in the file you are
printing.  This can overwhelm the memory of minimum-memory printers.
This problem can be minimized (but not eliminated) by resetting the printer
prior to the print job to erase any downloaded fonts left by previous
jobs.

Good luck.

Bill Wing ([e-mail])

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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:33:56 +0100
From: [e-mail] (Bo Holst-Christensen)
Subject: Big remote partitions (Q)

When a Macintosh is connected to a big (> 2Gb) remote partition, the Finder
gives wrong information about the size of and free space on the remote
partition.
As far as I can see, this is because the Finder calculates the free space
and disk size as a signed double (31 bits + a sign). If the Finder used a
unsigned double the problem would turn up again at 4Gb.
I have just run into the problem, because a friend of mine wants to use a
very big partition on a SUN from his Macintosh.
If the server software on the SUN works correctly, his only problem should
be that the disk information in Finder is incorrect, even if the size of
the disk is greater than 4Gb. The server should take care of the rest.
Does anyone know if this is correct ?

Have anyone tried putting a 2-4 Gb disk directly on a Macintosh ?

Thanks

   Bo Holst-Christensen
   [e-mail]      [e-mail]      FAX: [phone]

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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 07:12:35 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Birthday greetings for a techno-weenie

MacPeople,
  My boss's birthday is coming up on the 25th of January and we had some ideas
about celebrating it in true techno-weenie fashion.  We plan to record
birthday
greetings on a friend's powerbook and play them across the network using
Communicator.  We also wanted to find an acid-rock happy birthday tune and
maybe a nice birthday start-up screen.  Anyone know where we can find any of
these?  Other ideas would be appreciated as well.  Please send a copy of your
replies to me at "[e-mail]" since I am about a month or more
behind in the digest.
                Thanks,
                Glenn Fink

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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 19:58:57+080
From: [e-mail] (Stephen Smoliar)
Subject: Classics and 7.1

Irving Wiswall writes:
>
>Did I miss something?  Does 7.1 run on classics?  I installed it on one and
>it starts to boot but won't finish.  I started with a freshly re formatted
>hard drive, so there's no possibility of an extension or control panel
>incompatability.  Reinstalled 7.01 and it worked fine, so I kind of rule
>out hardware problems.  Doesn't 7.1 run on Classics?  Surely it doesn't
>need an enabler?
>
My first question is whether or not he ran his Compatibility Checker first.  I
have a Classic and have not yet installed System 7.1.  However, I HAVE run the
Compatibility Checker and have been busy trying to spruce things up before
making the switch.  Has anyone followed the advice from he Compatibility
Checker and THEN had an unpleasant surprise?

 ------

Stephen W. Smoliar; Institute of Systems Science
National University of Singapore; Heng Mui Keng Terrace
Kent Ridge, SINGAPORE 0511
Internet:  [e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:10:13 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Thomas E. DeWeese)
Subject: Desktop Pictures

>>In article <[e-mail]> you write:
>>>Could somebody please post a straightforward explanation of how
NowUtilities
>>>DeskPict and similar inits manage to "trick" the System into using a PICT
>>>resource as the desktop backdrop rather than a ppat?
>>
>>  There is an a-trap that this called to redraw the desktop.  They most
>>likely patch this a-trap so that it draws the picture as opposed to letting
>>the standard apple function draw the ppat.
>>  Suffice it to say they rewrite the code that normally draws the ppat to
>>draw a picture.  In other words you need to be able to program in order to
do
>>this.  It is not a simple matter of substituting a pict resource for a ppat
>>resource (if that is what you were hoping).
>
>Anyway, what is an a-trap?  I've heard of F-line calls but a-traps are a
whole
>new...alphabet to me!

  On the 68000 line of CPU's any Assembly instruction that begins with an
A (eg A030) will cause an exception (kind of like f-line's only those deal
with
floating point instructions).  But rather than dropping dead (meaning you get
a bomb dialog box), it uses the rest of the instruction (the next 1 1/2 bytes
roughly) to index into a jump table.  Normally this jump table points to all
of the standard apple functions to create a window, read from a file, draw the
desktop.  Well what an industrious programmer can do is change one of the
values in this jump table so that instead of jumping to the standard apple
function it jumps to his function instead.  So when the CPU hits an a-trap
(any instruction begining with an A, (A, a-trap pretty clever eh?)), that
indexes to the trap he "patched" it calls his function, which then does what
ever he wants it to.  When he is done he can either return (which is what is
most likely done in deskpict), or he can call the standard function (which was
in the jump table to start with).  In actuality there may be several inits
which patch the same trap over and over, as long as they call the value they
found in the jump table when they are done (or before they do anything), every
thing will work fine.  GetNextEvent is popular for many init's to patch
because it is a way to get some CPU time on a regular basis.  But in the case
of such an patch you must call the original function, because you still want
the standard functionality of GetNextEvent.
  Of course alot of the details are left out here.  It really isn't quite
as simple as all instructions that start with an A (there are different
classes
of a traps, called toolbox, and os traps),  there are also selectors that
can be set in the instruction, and so on.  Also I have only periferally
delt with A-traps so some of this might be a little wrong.
  if you want some more information, just let me know.
                            Thomas DeWeese
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu,  7 JAN 93 15:58:36 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Drawing package with text-editable dimensions

In I-M 2, Anthony Siegman asked about drawing packages that allow direct
text editing of object dimensions, etc. Canvas 3 allows this when you
select the object information dialog, either from menu or by command-I.
Eric Eisenhandler, Physics Department, Queen Mary & Westfield College
Disclaimer: I am just a happy Canvas user, no connection with Deneba, ...

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Date: 7 Jan 93 00:32:00 -0800
From: [e-mail]
Subject: e-mail address for ZTerm author

    [6B  > Could someone please send me an Internet address for David
  > Alverson, author of ZTerm?

If the HeathKit Internet Router here is up and running, you can reach Dave at
[e-mail]







                                        [5B

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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:28:42 GMT
From: [e-mail] (wondertree learning center)
Subject: e-mail address for ZTerm author

[e-mail] writes:

>Could someone please send me an Internet address for David
>Alverson, author of ZTerm?  Thanks much.

>--John.  <[e-mail]>

This info, it so happens, was posted in the c.s.mac.comms section of NN
I repost it here for your convenience :)

*I can no longer receive email at [e-mail]; this is the internet
*address listed in the support dialog of ZTerm.
*
*You can reach me at:  [e-mail]    or   [e-mail]
*
(rest of letter deleted for bevity... but still available in c.s.m.comms)
*
*  -- Dave Alverson,  author of ZTerm
*--
*Z    Dave Alverson,  [e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 11:15:58 +0200
From: [e-mail] (David L. Hirschberg)
Subject: Ethernet option for a HP laserJet 4M printer.

Dear Netters,

We are in the process of buying an HP Laserjet 4M printer for our
department.  We have the option of getting an HP Jetdirect card/Ethertalk
(J2239A).  Is anyone out there using an HP on ethernet.  Would there be a
significant advantage over Appletalk.  I know ethernet is faster.  All the
Macs that would print to the laserprinter are in the same Zone. There is a
lot of traffic on the zone and printing to our existing NTX is very slow.
Is there anything I will have to know about configuring it?  Will all the
macs be able to see it next to our NTX in our chooser or will they have to
switch to another zone?  Also We are in the process of moving from phase 1
ethernet to phase 2.  Will there be any compatibility problems?

Thanks, David
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 13:59:40 MST
From: [e-mail] (Stephen C. Harmony)
Subject: EtherTalk Driver for Racal Interlan EtherTalk Card (A)

In v11 #4 Patrick Kwok asks:

> Do anyone know where can I download the EtherTalk driver for System 7.0
> of the Racal Interlan EtherTalk card?

I don't know if it can be downloaded, but I do know how to make the Racal
InterLan MacConnect NuBus Ethernet card work under System 7.0 and 7.0.1.
If anyone does find a legitimate source for the real thing, please let me
know.

Meanwhile, here's what works.

1. Install System 7 using the Customize feature to install the EtherTalk
software even though the Mac doesn't think you have an Ethernet interface.

2. Run ResEdit on a copy of the System file. You'll see a resource type of
DRVR. Open the DRVR resources. You should see a DRVR resource with a number
of 127 and a name of Driver: ".ENET". This resource will be rather small
compared to the Racal Interlan driver, I think its size is about 138
(bytes?).

3. Open another file in ResEdit: the System file on your System 6 Racal
Interlan installer disk. Open the DRVR resources, select the (much larger)
DRVR resource 127, and copy it.

4. Select the DRVR window for the copy of your hard disk's System file.

5. Paste the bigger DRVR 127 into the window, clicking "Yes" when ResEdit
asks if you want to replace the identically numbered resource.

6. Save the edited System.

7. Remove the original System file from your System folder (don't trash it
quite yet) and place the edited System file in the System folder. Name it
System if it isn't already so named.

8. Restart your Mac. If everything worked OK, you should now be able to
select the EtherTalk driver in the Network control panel.

9. Sometimes this doesn't work right. I haven't quite figured out why, but
what happens is that you get what looks like a modal dialog box that just
flickers on your screen and you have to cycle power or hit the reset switch
to get your Mac back. If this happens, restart with a floppy and put the
original System back in the System folder. This just happened on a
co-worker's Mac IIfx, and I finally got a clean install by using the
Network Products Installer 1.3 disk, available from ftp.apple.com, to
install EtherTalk in step 1 above instead of the regular System 7
installer.

Note that once you get it working, it seems to work just fine, and hasn't
broken for me in a year of running System 7. I haven't tried this with
System 7.1, but I think it will probably work there, too.

Steve Harmony
Los Alamos, NM

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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 22:04:17 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Brian Gaeke)
Subject: how to get command key character (& others) (C)

Ooops.

I wrote:

>Set the font to a size of Chicago that is *not* in a bitmap in your
>System file; 13 or 15 work well.
>
>The Command key is Control-Q. Some other characters are:
>
>R = check-mark (checkMark)

When I said 'some other characters', I meant 'some other CONTROL
characters'. (the check mark is in fact ctrl-R, not R.)

Sorry about the ambiguity.

Later...

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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:53:32 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: HP DeskWriter 550C

I am thinking about getting an inkjet printer, and the HP DeskWriter 550C
seems to offer colour at not an unreasonable price.  I had a few questions
that perhaps those that have actually seen this printer, or even have one,
could answer.  Firstly, what are people's overall impressions of this
printer?

I understand that there are 4 inks, black and 3 colours.  The inks will be
used at different rates.  Is it possible to replace just one colour, or
does the cartridge come with all 4 meaning that all 4 must be replaced at
once?

How close does the results from the printer come to PANATONE colours?

Thanks for all your input....mike
Dr. Michael Silverstein                                 Tel:  [phone]
Materials Engineering, Technion                      Fax:  [phone]

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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 09:26:38 EST
From: "GEORGE L. VENABLE" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V11 #3

To the person interested in MiniCad 4 vs DesignCad.  I have been using
MiniCad since its inception, and I can't praise it enough.  The new version
has so many great features that it would be hard to mention them all in
this response.  The implementaion of 3D in ver. 4 is superb, and looks
like a complete rewrite of previous versions.  I have been using it for
architectural drawings, and mapping applications.  The people at Graphsoft
have been responsive and helpful when called.  The price is right compared
to other CAD applications with similar features.  I have used it on a 2mb
portable in the field with no problems, printing to a StyleWriter.  All in
all I am very satisfied with the product and the company.  A nice feature
in the new version is being able to place transparent windows and open
doors in walls, and when you remove them, the wall returns to a solid.
You can also walk through or fly over a 3D view.  There is a MiniCad
forum on America OnLine as well.  Hope this answers your question.

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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 08:48:33 EST
From: [e-mail] (Daniel E. White  (F2C))
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V11 #4 (System 6.0.8L)

Archie sez:

Host wuarchive.wustl.edu

    Location:
    /mirrors2/rascal.ics.utexas.edu/support-of-products/Apple/sys.soft
       FILE -r--r--r--     710784  Oct 22 00:44  6.0.8L.additions.sit.bin
       FILE -r--r--r--     758656  Oct 22 00:44  6.0.8L.startup.sit.bin

... and I've tried it on my Classic II.  It does work, but when you boot up
the System 6, it rebuilds your desktop (which is then re-rebuilt when you
boot up in 7 again).  That was my only annoyance.  I'm not sure what I'll need
it
for, but I got it and saved it onto floppies -- each archive expands to fill
a 1.4M floppy, but the folks that need to use it will have a SuperDrive.

   Share & Enjoy !!

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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 16:03:46 PST
From: Arnie Keller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Internet to MCI Mail?

Is it possible to send email from Internet to MCI Mail or
ZiffNet/Mac? I'd like to get in touch with an editor at MacUser.
Thanks in advance.

Arnie Keller
U of Victoria
Victoria BC

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:48:37 -0600 (CST)
From: Dow Palmer <[e-mail]>
Subject: lab security programs

A few months ago, I asked for information on security programs for a Mac
lab in a public school setting.  Possible solutions mentioned to me were
AtEase, FolderBolt, RevRdist, and other security programs.  I have also
located a program called MacSecure, from Learning Performance Corp.  They
have been extremely helpful in allowing us to evaluate their product.  Their
tech support has been helpful, even though we haven't purchased anything
>From them yet.  An earlier version of the product was described in MacWeek
(4/13/92), and a new version is due soon.  They have site licensing
available, and the product looks promising when compared to the other
options. Their number is [phone] and the address is 2850 Metro
Drive, Suite 413, Minneapolis, MN  55425.  Any comments?

Necessary disclaimers... <[e-mail]>   Dripping Springs, Texas

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 19:59:44 PST
From: Dave Leiner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mac II Won't Startup! (A)

Brett Bobley writes:

>I have an original Mac II (68020 CPU).  Lately, when I press the
>startup key on the keyboard, it doesn't start up the first time.

>Just today, it has now completely "died".  The startup key does nothing.
>Also, the power on/off key in the back does nothing.

>I seem to remember reading somewhere that the old Mac II had
>some kind of battery that powered the startup procedure.  Could
>this battery have died on me?

Brett, in the past week this has happened to me and a friend. It is indeed
caused by the old  batteries, probably combined with the cold winter weather
pushing a weak battery over the edge. To keep going temporarily, I blew some
hot air from a hair dryer through the vents for a few seconds and my Mac
started up fine.

My friend got his batteries at a local Frye's store under the part number
TL-2150/P for about 6 bucks each (you need 2). This battery type has leads
which he soldered onto the old clipped battery leads. I believe Apple also
sells a battery holder kit for about $20 that accepts batteries without leads,
but it hardly seems worthwhile since it is unlikely you will ever replace them
again. The batteries are on the motherboard underneath the hard drive/floppy
drive brackets.

--Dave

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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 11:17:58 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail] (Mel Martinez x8378)
Subject: MacTCP pricing/liscencing (C)

Just a stream of unconsciousness thing:

Considering the rather painful new pricing/liscencing policies of Apple for
MacTCP, especially where schools and such free/shareware tools as Eudora &
Fetch are concerned, why doesn't some enterprising young (or old)
programmer out there set about making a competing product?  It seems to me
that there is definitely a shareware market out there for a MacTCP
competitor.  I am willing to bet that a body could probably find many
people facing that current $100 price tag willing to pay as much as $20-50
for an alternative(and yes, I realize that $50 is STEEP for shareware.).  I
cannot believe that such a project is beyond the scope of the same people
out there who have brought such gems as Eudora, Zterm, Fetch, NCSA Telnet
and about a billion other non-communications tools to life.  Certainly it
has to be easier than making TCP/IP drivers on PC Klones which have far
less standard ethernet implementations than macs.

Just a thought.  Discussion?

Mel Martinez
The Johns Hopkins University
Dept. of Physics
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 22:41:06 EST
From: Pete Tamas <[e-mail]>
Subject: Making mistakes when answering questions

Some time ago, after someone unwittingly gave some bad advice, some-
one else commented:

> These cross platform translators are great BUT they also provide multiple
> opportunities to make a fool of yourself.  If you don't know how the
> software works . . . don't give advice.
>
That's a great ethic to live by, but like "honesty is the best policy,"
people should not depend on others to always follow it. What can be
learned from this (and most of us know--I realize that I'm probably
preaching to the choir here) that we can't depend on what others tell
us about computers to be correct all the time.

The nice thing about these lists is that any misinformation will
probably be corrected. As a result, we should not be so afraid
to misinform that we are afraid to answer. Most people seem to be
careful to mention when they may be a on thin ice when answering
a question, which is probably a much better policy than not answering
if you are not 100% certain. -Pete Tamas
[e-mail], Temple Univ, Philadelphia (betw New York & Wash DC)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:20:36 +0100 (MET)
From: Achim Voermanek <[e-mail]>
Subject: Metamorphisis Help needed!

Hello,

I need some help from you outthere.
I work on a Mac LC II wiht System 7.01 and Tune Up 1.1.1 with
a 40 MB HD and 4 MB RAM. I want to create a QT Movie with
Metamorphisis ( a Morph-like programm from the QuickTime 1.5 CD
for Developers). But without any other system extension than QT 1.5
and both with and without virtual memeory support, I get only the
answer "Program aborted, system fault number 90 (not correctly translated
>From German)" when I try to load my pict files.
I tried picts from Photoshop 2.01 as grey-scale or as bitmap, 1Bit,
8 Bit, and 8 Bit System color scale. Only the 8 Bit System color scale
with 15 and 17 KB could be loaded (only with virtual memory of + 6 MB and
4 MB for the Metamorphisis program). But when I choosed a few pionts
and "Do Meta...." from the Menu, I got the same system fault.

I forgot to say that I have only a 12" greyscale-monitor.
Please mail to me directy, when there will be a few interesting
messages, I will post them to info-mac.

Thank you in advance


Achim Voermanek
Department of Information Science
University of Saarland
Germany

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Date: 7 Jan 93 08:15:50 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Erick Young)
Subject: Mighty Draw *$25?!?*

Is anyone familiar with a new drawing package called Mighty Draw
>From Abracadata, Ltd.? The blurb in MacWAREHOUSE says that "Mighty
Draw is an affordable, general-purpose, object-oriented drawing
program, that allows the user to create pie, column, bar, and flow
charts, graphs, electronic schematics, network diagrams, flyers,
newsletters, greeting cards, logos, and more!"

For a mere *$25*, this program sounds a little *too* good. Comments
or experiences welcomed.

Erick
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:44:59 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Kyle Barger)
Subject: Musical Clip Art?

Does anybody know of a clip art collection that includes music-oriented
picture?  The more, the merrier.  I have looked through the sumex
/info-mac/art abstracts, and nothing really looks promising.  Could
somebody provide some guidance?  I would be interested in hearing about
commercial collections, too.

Thanks---   Kyle Barger              Haverford College Academic Computing

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 18:25:30 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey S. Shulman)
Subject: New VD Support Policy (C)

[e-mail] writes:

>On Mon, 4 Jan, Jeffrey S. Shulman wrote

>>Effective immediately new search strings for viruses and Trojan Horses will
>>only be available to registered owners of VirusDetective and VirusBlockade
>>II.

>Makes sense to me.

>>Virus Alert postcards will continue to be mailed to registered users when a
>>new virus appears. Due to the expense and relative risks involved we do not
>>do this for Trojan Horses.

>Makes *no* sense to me. Trojan Horses aren't worth the bother? How about
>worms, Jeffrey? And what if a virus is a Trojan Horse? Gotta mess with
>your head. And your postage budget. What exactly do VD and VB protect
>against? Or aren't you telling?

>Thank you, Jeffrey. You have reinforced my decision to go with SAM.

>Al Bloom, Virginia Tech

Viruses cannot be Trojan Horses. A virus, by definition, replicates
itself by attaching itself to a host application. Trojan Horses, by
definition don't. Worms, by definition, replicate themselves, not
attaching to other programs. If you would have known this you would not
have said what you did.

Thus Trojan Horses do NOT spread very far since they tend to kill themselves
off. So, aside from mentioning it, most people have little to worry. This
is why I do not go through the expense of postcard notification (on the
order of $1,500) for Trojan Horses. FYI, Disinfectant doesn't catch ANY
Trojan Horses for the same reason: they don't spread themselves.

If a Trojan *implants* a virus then that is another story and it treated
like a virus (witness MBDF).

I guess you never have taken a look at VD since the search strings for
what it detects are plainly visible. VD has always detected all the
viruses and Trojan Horses (no worms yet) that could attack a Mac and
has been doing this since 1985.

Do note that the ONLY change in my policy is that registered users now get
notified directly (if desired) instead of publically. My policy for Trojan
Horses has ALWAYS been the same: electronic notification only.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 13:07:05 EST
From: Randy Patton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Opening PageMaker 2 files in 4.2

I have a colleague who has recently upgraded to version 4.2 of Aldus
Pagemaker.  The problem:  all his existing documents are in PM 2.0 format,
and PM 4.2 doesn't seem to recognize the older format.  (A peek with ResEdit
confirmed that they really are different doc types.)

What should he do?  Is there any utility (preferably freeware or shareware)
that can convert between 2.0 files and 4.2 files?

Love and Rockets,
H. Randy Patton

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 07:23:32 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Personal Internet connection

Net Addicts:
I'm sure some of you who are hooked on the Internet have taken the plunge and
acquired your own Internet connection.  Note: I'm not talking about connecting
via another host, or over the phone lines via Tymnet, etc.  I'm talking about
a
real honest-to-goodness, personal, host-to-host, EtherNet, internet
connection.
If this describes you, could you tell me how you did it, where you obtained
the
services and about how much it would cost me to do the same?  Please don't
respond with any theories or heresay, I just want input from people who have
actually done this.  My internet lust has increased without bound and I've
been
thinking about this for some time.  I'm hoping to be able to do this myself if
the cost is not impossibly high.  Please send a CC of any replies to me,
[e-mail], because I am way behind in reading the digest.
              Thanks,
              Glenn Fink

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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:15:20 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Ken B Kirksey)
Subject: PhotoCD

> I've been told that using Photo CD technology, you can take a high
> quality scanner owned by a service bureau or certain camera shops and
> have the photos imaged onto a CD. Then with Apple's new CD ROM drive,
> you can access and use these disks. Anyone have any first- hand
> experience with this, or at least verify that what I said above is
> correct? Any ideas on how much such a system would cost for a service
> bureau to set up? Thanks, Pete Tamas


This isn't quite correct.  You can send your undeveloped film or negatives
to a Photo CD processing center for scanning and placement on to a CD.
Right now, there are only 13 or 14 places in the country that do Photo
CD processing.  Call Kodak at 1-800-242-2424, ext 36 to find the the
lab nearest you that has a PhotoCD system.

You get back on your CD 5 copies of each photo at different resolutions:

            Size (pixels)

    Wallet          128 x 192
    Snapshot        256 x 384
    Standard        512 x 768
    Large           1024 x 1536
    Poster          2048 x 3072


Costs for the transfers are obscenely cheap.  If you send them undeveloped
film, each scan will cost anywhere for $ .75 to $1.00.  Sending them
negs is a little more expensive; the scans cost anywhere from $1.50
to $2.00.

The magzine I work for has just recently gone all digital with our pre-press.
We scan all black and white photos in-house and send out all color photos
to our service bureau for scanning on a Linotype-Hell drum scanner.  They
send us back low res TIFFs of the color scans for placement.  We send
them the entire magazine (Quark X-Press document) on an optical disk.  They
print it directly to negatives (4 up) on a Lintotronic 530.  All color
separations are done on a Linotronic color workstation using  proprietary
separation software.

As soon as we get our CD-Rom drive (the end of this month) we're going to
experiment with using Photo CD for our editorial color photos.  Our covers
will still have to be scanned at the bureau, as we get them as large format
transparencies from our photographer in Nashville.  Kodak claims that they'll
be able to do large format negs and transparencies sometime in '93 though.
Right now you're limited to 35mm slides or negs.

If anyone is interested, I can post the results of our experiments.


              Ken


------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 10:28:07 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Miles Abernathy)
Subject: Please post Metamorphisis

Now that we have straightened out the difference between Metamorphosis and
Metamorphisis (the latter being a graphic transformation application like
Morph), would someone with access to the QT 1.5 developer's CD please post
the one that is like Morph to sumex? Thanks to all who have helped clarify
the situation!

Miles Abernathy, N5KOB

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 10:07:10 EST
From: [e-mail] (Carmen Iannacone)
Subject: Printing Setup Question

Hello everyone,

    I have a Quadra 950 attached to our ethernet
network, on which run both Novell and TCP/IP.  Focusing
on the UNIX side of the house, I'd like to print from
the Quadra to one of our UNIX-hosted postscript printers.
(Specifically, I'd like to print the contents of a few
Hypercard stacks, but anything really...)

    I have TCP/IP on the Mac, as well as NFS.  I
guess if I could save the print matter in postscript,
I could ftp it over and send it to the printer from a
UNIX shell, but a more "natural" printing capability would
be preferred.

    How is this situation generally resolved?  I
can provide other details regarding extensions, other
software I have, etc. if that would help.

    Thanks for your time, and please reply via email,
and I'll summarize to the net.

    Carmen
    ([e-mail])

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:17:42 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Recommendation on CD-ROM reader sought

I'm shopping for a CD-ROM reader for occational use. It should be
reasonably priced and has an access time of less than 450ms. It would be
nice if it's capable of reading Kodak PhotoCD (single-session is fine). Any
suggestions? Thanks in advance.

Tony Huang
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 07:13:08 EST
From: Jon Butler <[e-mail]>
Subject: report/apple-pr-imaging.hqx (Q)

What kind of a file is report/apple-pr-imaging.hqx?  After de-binhexing it, I
get only gibberish that cannot be opened by MacWrite or MSWord.

[They are AppleLink text files. Any word processor or TeachText should be
 able to open them, assuming the file is not messed up. (They are also
 compressed with Compact Pro. -Bill]

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 09:38 MET
From: JEROEN HOOIJER <[e-mail]>
Subject: Shhh! is (not) functional

The Shhh! extension works fine on my PB140 under 7.0.1 tuned. After the first
click there are no more of them.
I assume Shhh! works by keeping the sound hardware from switching off. Anyone
know if this consumes a lot of power?

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:34:32 +0900 (KST)
From: [e-mail] (Jeong-hyun Kim)
Subject: Shhh! works for me

It works on my PB 170. The clicks have gone, thou not completely.
Now I hear the clicks only when booting, sleeping, and waking.

Jeong-hyun Kim, KAIST, Korea

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 09:23:16 -0100
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Software companies (Adobe, Aldus) vs. European consumers

> The real sad part of this is that, due to the weak dollar, US goods *should*
> be real bargains these days, but greedy middlemen are soaking up our
> competitive advantage!

Its not the middlemen.

Some US companies - Microsoft (sigh) is a good example, market their products
in Europe at reasonable prices, and provide good customer support.  From
France, I can key in the MS number in England, followed by the touch tone code
for a particular MS product, and get instant help.  When I had a problem with
Word-4 on my Quadra, they sent me a new disk for free within 3 days.

I have in front of me the French MacWarehouse catalogue to compare with
their US price list.  Prices for MS products are reasonable (Word5=$374 HT
for the translated version).  1 MB SIMMS are $40 from MacWarehouse France.

Prices for Adobe and Aldus products are crazy by comparison. Pagemaker 4.2
and Illustrator 3.2 are over $1000 each plus 18% tax.  I have had dealings
with their European offices (not distributers), and they are disorganised and
hopeless compared to MicroSoft. I can understand why they have to charge so
much !

After months of faxing the Adobe offices in the Netherlands and Scotland,
I finally sent back my original Illustrator disks to Adobe in the US, with my
credit card number and a short letter telling them where to put them if they
didn't want to upgrade my US version.  I got the upgrade by return air mail !

Dr Alan Hewat, ILL Grenoble, FRANCE ([e-mail]) Fax (France=33).76.48.39.06

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 14:22:21 CST
From: "Eric H. Durbrow" <[e-mail]>
Subject: StyleWriter II is not a 2 ppm printer

I was disappointed to learn that the StyleWriter II does not print 2 pages per
minute in Best Mode. Does anyone know if they have improved its life-span?
Otherwise, I'm not sure how it is suppose to compete against the DeskWriter.
Eric.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 08:17:43 +0100
From: Jordi Steve <[e-mail]>
Subject: StyleWriter on a PC ???

Hello there,

I know it's actually possible to connect a PC Printer to a Mac,
but I would like to know if it's possible to connect a Mac printer
to a PC ????

I would like to connect my StyleWriter to my PC 486...  (so I need
both hardware and drivers).

Thanks for any help !

Sincerely,
Steve Jordi-Dpt of Geophysics-U of [e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:03 MET
From: PATRICK GROENEN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Switching 32-bit mode without restarting (Q)

Does anybody know of (commercial) software that switches 32-bit mode on
and off without restarting for a Quadra 950.
It would be nice if the setting is done automatically per application.
Can anybody help?

Patrick Groenen, Leiden University, Holland

------------------------------

Date: 07 Jan 1993 01:11:30 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: System 7.1 - Excel 4.0 & more than 20 fonts

Path: umiami!tcwan
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.digest
Subject: Re: System 7.1 - Excel 4.0 & more than 20 fonts
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: 7 Jan 93 01:11:16 EST
Organization: Univ of Miami IR
News-Moderator: Approval required for posting to comp.sys.mac.digest
Lines: 58

[I don't know how to followup an article in the digest posted to NEWS, sorry]

Subject: System 7.1 - Excel 4.0 & more than 20 fonts

-- included message follows --
>Hi folks,
>
>While upgrading our MAC Lab for the semester's crop of students, I found
>that Excel 4.0 didn't want to work.
>
>I upgraded a client to System 7.1 -- it diligently moved all 50 fonts
>into the Fonts folder and removed all the old stuff; as it should. I
>rebooted the MAC and everything worked as normal except Excel 4.0.
>(NOTE: MAC refers to an se/30, se, or LC all having 4MB ram. I tried it
>on them all)

[details about clean install of Sys 7.1 deleted]

>Of course, I called Microsoft yesterday and got a friendly tech. that
>had heard of the problem. He basically siad that they were aware of the
>problem and that Fonts came into to play. Microsoft is currently
>researching this difficulty and promised a call back.

>This note is more to save some of you aggravation; assuming that you see
>or have seen the problem. I have thought of using a suitcase 'type'
>utility, but really don't see a need to buy for short term use. I would
>greatly appreciate a note if you have seen this problem.

>c ya,

>-Bob Martin -- [e-mail]
-- end included msg --

Well, I found that in Sys 7.01 + Tuneup 1.1.1, Excel does run with lots
of fonts (ie > 20) but very sluggishly, under the following conditions:
1) VM is on (I have a IIsi with 5 MB RAM)
2) Fonts are stored in suitcases, not installed directly in the System file
   and opened using Suitcase or some similar utility.

The symptom: excessive paging, opening the add on manager takes about 5
minutes (!!).

It seems like Excel does not like fonts that are not installed in the system
file. I tried putting lots of fonts into the system file, and Excel runs
normally. Once the number of fonts opened using Suitcase exceeds 20 or so
families, the performance degrades rapidly. (I divided the fonts into three
suitcases, with about 20 families in the first suitcase).

I haven't tried checking with Tech support. Figured that the VM + suitcase
configuration isn't really a common setup, and previous posting on the net
resulted in about two people reporting similar symptoms. I guess now that
Sys. 7.1 puts all the fonts in external suitcases, this'll be a real issue.

There is definitely something wrong with the way Excel handle large number
of fonts. The question is what's the problem, and when will Microsoft fix it?

t.c.
#I speak for myself, obviously :)

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 06:27:25+080
From: [e-mail] (Stephen Smoliar)
Subject: System 7.1 Compatibility Revisited

Charles J. Wertz writes that his HyperCard 2.0 which came with his System
6.0.7
is incompatible with System 7.1.  Indeed, the Classic I bought when machines
were first being released with System 7.0 came with HyperCard 2.1  The System
7.1 Compatibility Checker claims there is now a HyperCard 2.1v1, although the
old 2.1 IS supposed to run under 7.1.  (I also understand that HyperCard is no
longer being bundled with new Macintosh products.  All you get is some
stripped-down "reader.")  Being stuck out in Singapore, I tried to find
out more about HyperCard 2.1v1 by sending electronic mail to
[e-mail].
This mail was bounced with a "Claris. . . User unknown" error message from
claris.com.  I then sent an inquiry to [e-mail] which received
neither a bounce error message nor a response.  Does anyone know the story
on HyperCard 2.1v1 or have a reliable electronic mail address for Claris?

 ------

Stephen W. Smoliar; Institute of Systems Science
National University of Singapore; Heng Mui Keng Terrace
Kent Ridge, SINGAPORE 0511
Internet:  [e-mail]

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Date: Thu,  7 Jan 93 12:39:11 +0100
From: "CHRISTIAN F. BUSER" <[e-mail]>
Subject: System7 installation over network (C)

Seth Ness <[e-mail]> WRITES IN iNFO-mAC v11-004:
>i just attempted and failed to install system 7.0.1 over a network.
>i have the disk images on a mac running 7.0. the computer i wanted to
>install on is an SE/30 running 6.something. they are connected via ethernet.
>first i mounted the disks on the donor mac's desktop using mountimage.
>then from the recipient mac i connected to the donor mac using the chooser.
>i opened the desktop folder but the disks were not there. so i opened
>mountimage on the recipient mac and tried to mount the image files on its
>desktop. th eimage files were in a folder on the desktop and mountimage
>did not see them. the finder did though. so i gave up so how can i install
>system 7 over the network.i can't just bring the image files to the
>recipient mac since theres not enough room on the hard drive.

I don't know if "my solution" would work - I have no opportunity to try
it - but here it is.

The REGISTERED shareware version of DiskDup+ 2.1 (or later?) from
Roger Bates can mount disk images on a Mac's desktop - They appear just
like your harddisk or any floppy inserted in a drive. Do this in your
computer running 7.x, enable sharing of these disks and get to them
>From the SE/30 with Sys 6.x. If they are mounted as remote volumes, it
might work. I don't promise, however.

By the way - DiskDup+ can not do that if it is not registered. You'll get
a code after registration which you would enter once, and then all
features are enabled and the "please register"-message will no longer come
up. Roger Bates is somewhere in Oregon - don't at present remember the
exact address, but if you don't find it, I'll search my pile of diskettes
at home. I know it is there SOMEWHERE.

Let me know if it worked.

Best regards, Christian                        [e-mail]

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Date: 7 Jan 93 11:43:26-0500
From: /PN=JOHN.WITHERS/O=IRS/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@sprint.com
Subject: Text file printing question

Hello all.

Please excuse me if this is a FAQ.

What is the preferred method for printing text files from the Finder?

I have a user who downloads text files from a Unix system and then
needs to print them.  We have been loading them into MacWrite, setting
the font to Courier (Unix is monospaced - usually) and printing on
the network LaserWriter.  There has to be a better way.  Unfortunatly,
this is a Pee-Cee shop, all our 'experts' here tell her to "copy the
file to Pee Are Enn" ;-) and then leave laughing.  I became involved
due to the fact that I have a Mac LC at home.

Any and all help will be sincerly appreciated.

John Withers

By the way, the system is a Mac Plus (1MB) using system 6.0.5 (I think)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 15:27 GMT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Type Manipulation (A)

>I'm doing camera ready proofs of a textbook for my publisher, and
>would like to create some elementary special effects with large
>type for the frontispiece, section dividers, etc. For example,
>I might want to print large letters in some shade of grey with
>a 1 or 2-point black outline round eachletter, or do something with drop
>shadows, and so on. Does anyone have any recommendations for software
>for this kind of thing - say a drawing program with unusual
>type manipulation capacities?

A good way to have some fun with this is to get a copy of the
Postscript Tutorial and Cookbook (the "Blue Book") from Addison-Wesley
and program the Postscript code yourself. The book has many
examples of how to do exactly what you are looking for. All it takes
is a text editor, the LaserWriter Font Utility (to send the Postscript
files to the printer) and the energy and interest to copy very
short (ten or twenty lines) programs from the examples.

It's pretty good entertainment, and you might find yourself creating
some very original and striking graphics.

Have fun,
Mark Lankton ([e-mail])

------------------------------

Date: 7 Jan 93 07:52:00 CST
From: "Eugene Cohen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: WordPerfect PC translator

I've got ClarisWorks and need to translate its word processing files to
WordPerfect 5.1 for the IBM.  I could use the XTND translator to v4.2, but
that doesn't convert Italics or Point size changes.  Since I'm using Apple
File Exchange anyway, I could deal with a Claris Works <--> WordPerfect PC 5.0
translator.  In short I need either an XTND or AFE translator for ClarisWorks
word processing to WordPerfect PC 5.1 (or 5.0--same file format).

eugene cohen
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 17:37:36 CST
From: Robert Blystone <[e-mail]>
Subject: WORM CD-ROM

I am seeking information about WORM CD-ROM products such as the
Kodak PCD Writer 200.  The possibility of "burning" a CD-ROM for under
$50 is quite exciting.  It would be a great backup approach and a good
way to store Lab Data.  Do any netters have experience with such products
and the associated software?  Questions arise as to maximizing routines,
compatibility, and error checking.  Should one develop a disk that is a
"best seller", how easy is it to use the WORM disk as a master for multiple
copies at a commercial pressing house?  Any information will be appreciated.
Robert Blystone, Trinity University, San Antonio, Texas  [e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 08:34:11 PST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: YACC and LEX for the Mac?

I am looking for MAC programs that perform the same functions as LEX and YACC
in the Unix environment.  They should be usable with Think C.


Thanks!

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